Talk:2011 World Series of Poker

First WSOP bracelet winner

Sam Barnhart is reportedly the first official WSOP 2011 bracelet winner, as reported here:[1]

TL;DR The WSOP Circuit National Championship culminated in Sam Barnhart's 1st place finish, earning $300,000 and, apparrently, the first WSOP bracelet of the season. My question is whether said bracelet should be treated as official, with Sam Barnhart's name placed in the WSOP Bracelet template? As far as I'm concerned, it should be, but I feel the need to double-check with everybody else here. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 17:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it should definitely be counted as a bracelet, as it is noted here [2] that a WSOP gold bracelet would be awarded to the winner of the Circuit National Championship, and here [3] that Barnhart has one. However I would argue against putting it in the 2011 WSOP page because this event was the culmination of the 2010-2011 circuit season, and the circuit pages are kept separate from the Annual WSOP pages, both here on Wikipedia and here [4] on the WSOP's official site (note the drop down menu on the left has the CNC separate from the 42nd annual WSOP). I would say a better place to incorporate this would be on the circuit events page with a note that the winner of the CNC was given a bracelet. Just my view on the issue. HidyHoTim (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems we share the same view; I'm pleased with that! I also disagree that the event itself should be placed on this particular page, the page I was referring to was this one. For now, I've gone and added him in, but opposing views would also be welcome. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 21:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I would add a note to this article stating that in addition to the 58 events listed, for the first time the Circuit national champion was awarded a WSOP bracelet. I would also add a note to the World Series of Poker bracelet article. I would give this story the greatest depth at World Series of Poker Circuit events.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Completely agreed. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you want to take a shot at incorporating this into the three articles mentioned above.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I put the bare minimum in each of the three relevant articles.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Triple Chance

Does anyone here know what triple chance is. We need a wikipedia article for it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

O.K. a bit of googling reveals it is a special type of rebuy. Does it belong at Glossary of poker terms?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The only other time I'd heard of a "triple chance" was at my local casino; it was handled largely in the same way but the game wasn't heads-up. I do believe it deserves a mention and the Glossary of poker terms is likely the best place for it. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 21:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

May 27-29 Circuit National Championship

My edit summary was incorrect. I thought it had been added removed reverted and removed again. It had only been added and reverted. Nonetheless, I agree with original poster that this should be a summary of this summer's WSOP bracelet events.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it needs to be added. I think the importance of winning the bracelet pulls it up from the current article on circuit. It gets lost in there. If we have an article on the Circuit National Championship, I could support taking it off of this page; but that would require writing an article on the WSOP-CNC. My first choice is actually to have a separate article on the CNC. My second choice is to include it here. I do not like relegating it to the circuit article---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 15:44, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I think in the World Series of Poker Circuit events, I think it deserves an entire section. I did not take the time to do more than plop the same sentence there, at WSOP bracelet and here. I think it belongs in this table as a WSOP season bracelet with some explanation.in the table.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The Circuit event is not part of the 2011 World Series of Poker. the fact that it gets a bracelet is irrelevant to that, as WSOPE events get bracelets too, but they aren't listed as part of previous years articles this way. there is no reason or logic to changing that now. Including a sentence about the Circuit bracelet is fine in the article, but the table of events is for the 2011 WSOP. 2005 (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The fact that Sam Barnhart's bracelet is called "The first bracelet of 2011" leads me to think that the tournament does deserve a mention here, with the Results linking to the final table details on the Circuit page. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 22:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if you meant to respond to me, but whether it is the first bracelet or the last, it isn't part of the 2011 World Series of Poker. It isn't on the official schedule and we shouldn't include it in the tabled results for the 2011 WSOP. It can be mentioned here, just like the WSOPE can, but they are separate event series with separate schedules. (For all we know harrahs may soon be awarding bracelets for an online series. The fact those would be bracelets too doesn't mean they become part of the WSOP. The WSOP is merely whatever Harrahs says it is.) 2005 (talk) 23:51, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries, it wasn't a direct response to you, just my own two cents. I understand more clearly now after that online example. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I was bold and I've broken the Circuit Events down by year. so that each year has it's own article and added it to the info box at the bottom of the page. With each year having it's own, I think the appropriate place would be in the [[2011 World Series of Poker Circuit article. But we need to have some way to indicate that 2011 it became a bracelet qualifier in the info box. I don't like my quick fix. Also, the article for 2011 needs the results from the individual events and the poker project tags on them. I have to run or I'd do them myself.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 22:54, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

All 1st time winners

This is crazy. All first time winners so far.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Certainly is crazy... probably the most notable winner so far is the newly triple-crowned Jake Cody. I'd been considering removing all "(1/1)"'s from all one-time winners in the bracelet templates due to clutter. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Don't remove all "(1/1)"'s.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:32, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, I won't. Would have done it only if somebody else were to mentino it to me. Looking forward to the first (1/2+) though! JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 18:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Tony, don't remove. It is too valuable of info and doesn't clutter it in other years.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 21:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks like things are going to be changing with the $10,000 2-7 Lowball Championship... I might even be able to type (1/12)! JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 12:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait, that's not no limit hold'em?---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 03:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

No need for confusion after all....---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 12:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Championship events

Should we highlight the championship events (see notable events at http://www.wsop.com/2011/) with a gold background?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

No, there is no real distinction between a "championship" and non-championship event. The only two events that people pay extra close attention to are the main event and the past few years the 50K HORSE event. Other than those, a bracelet is a bracelet.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 13:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Well should the text discuss the $10K and up championship events?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Player of the Year

Does anyone know a link for the World Series of Poker Player of the Year standings?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

No, but I think it would be worth noting that the PoY calculations have been reformatted this year, presumably because of Michael Mizrachi's not winning last year.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 20:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Yup, the standings can be found here[5]. John Juanda is currently in the lead but it's still early days.JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you tell me if events are added to this page as players finish or as events finish. E.g. Shaun Deeb has finished in fourth in Event 29, but the top three places will be determined today. Are his 4th place points already included?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

They are added as soon as the player is determined and somebody updates it.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 04:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC) misread which page this was referring to... was thinking THIS page not the page in the link above.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 04:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know that... at a guess, I'd imagine it'd be the latter. It would be much easier for everything to be calculated and added once as opposed to continuously.JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 22:15, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually his points are already counted. I looked at this] and he only had about 55 point heading into this tournament and it looks like he is suppose to earn about 88. So 141.75 is probably his total after the 4th place. I thought he was closer to the top.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

It is definitely not instantaneous. Phil's tournament has been over for a while now, and it is still showing him with less than 200 points. He should have closer to 400 point after his second place finish.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 13:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Full Tilt non-payment

I have noticed that in addition to Phil Ivey's publicized boycott, I have not seen Chris Ferguson or Howard Lederer on the POY list (which I believe means they have not cashed this year). Is either of them playing any WSOP events. I am wondering if Full Tilt pros are fed up. I imagine even if they had a lot of money tied up at FT, they could get backers to play at the WSOP, but I am wondering what is going on?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the case, however I do know of both Tom Dwan and Patrick Antonius playing this year. I'd believe it more likely that Howard Lederer and Chris Ferguson would be wanting to work on getting the issue resolved. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 07:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I think Hansen and Harman are also playing, although Harman has only played a few events (from what I understand as a twitter follower of hers), and has not cashed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

P.S. From Template:Team Full Tilt, Juanda is among the POY leaders, and Bloch, Cunningham, Lindgren, Matusow, and Seidel have all cashed. Phil Gordon has also not cashed this year. With only Ferguson, Lederer and Gordon not on the board maybe it is just the normal law of averages.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Howard ain't playing:[6]

Looks like Ferguson hasn't either [7]---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 15:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Any word on Gordon?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Rumors before the tourney began were that he was going to skip it along with the others. He is, however, defnitely involved in Ante Up for Africa and Bad Beat on Cancer--both of which are official charities of the WSOP. He's been interviewed numerous times regarding them and Bad Beat on Cancer is his pet project. That being said, I can't find anything to indicate if he is playing in any of the WSOP events.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 19:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, wasn't he the announcer for the Helmuth/Chan grudge match? Now all three of those items (grudgematch, bad beat, and ante up) are all things that he was committed to before Black Friday, so who knows what else he's up to?---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 20:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

This is pretty off-topic. It's relevant on the player pages and the Full Tilt pages, but someone who has played before not playing an event is an occurence that happens thousands of times every event. (As for the actual facts of why, that gets into BLP territory.) 2005 (talk) 21:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I disagree that it is off topic. We are not talking about the thousands of players who don't play in a second year. We aren't even talking about the scores of former bracelet winners who don't return. We are talking about some of the biggest most notable names in the industry who are now tied to one of the biggest inditements against unregulated online poker. Their absence from this years tournaments have been noted and commented upon by reliable sources. Ivey's absence and rationale is definitely worthy of inclusion. If solid sources can be found tying the absense of the others to FT, then those too might be worthy of inclusion here. The FT repayment issue should have a section in this article as it 1) kept the player many regard as the best poker player in the world out of the tournament 2) kept many people who expected to participate in the tournament from doing so [8] and 3) has been linked to two multiple bracelet winners (and a former world champion) from playing in this years tournament.[9][10][11][12] and other articles Heck, Ivey's absense actually gains some significance in light of the largest prop bet ever made between him and Lederer that Ivey now loses.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 23:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It's still somewhat off-topic, but I didn't say it shouldn't be covered, especially about Ivey since he issued a statement. However, while mentioning Ferguson and Lederer haven't played (which can be verified in reliable sources) the "why" they haven't played is total speculation and not remotely encyclopedic. It could be in the same paragraph, and any reasonable person can draw their own conclusions, but this article is about the 2011 WSOP, not the inner workings of Ferguson and Lederer's minds, and certainly not about the speculation in unreliable sources as to why they are not playing. That sort of thing fails BLP for a couple reasons. We should have a "just the facts" sentence from a reliable source... along the lines of a Pokernews cite with a sentence saying "other prominent Full Tilt founding pros like John Juanda and Erick Lindgren have played, but Chris Ferguson and Howard lederer have not." 2005 (talk) 00:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I Think it is worth mentioning IF we can get a reliable source. I even think the speculation that the FT controversy might be mentioned, IF we can get a reliable source that discusses said speculation or if they (or somebody in the know) comes out and say so. That being said, I do NOT like the wording as proposed by Tony and I do not think that a source from the third day of the WSOP is necessarily reliable on their notable absence. A lot of players may not have shown up by day 3.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 04:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Any RS on this yet?

Ok, we've all seen the blogs and other non-rs to know that Fergy and Lederer failed to make it to the 2011 WSOP. Do we have any RS that states that and any that covers the specualtion that the failed to do so because of what is going on with FTP? (and something written at a point where it is meaningful, eg I can find RS, but they are early in the WSOP. I'd like a good source that is after the start of the ME.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 21:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Even though it's basically self-evident, I doubt we'll ever get one, since it requires one of them to state that directly (not have someone else assert it). Maybe someday one of them will do an interview to that effect, but I doubt it will happen soon. 2005 (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

If there is widespread discussion/speculation, then we can cover the speculation as to the reasoning. But it needs to come from a reliable source covering their absences and the speculation surrounding it.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 22:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Avoid repeating gossip and beware of claims that rely on guilt by association are a pretty high bar here. They didn't play, no doubt about that, but almost anything on the "why" is purely guessing and non-authoritative. The guilt by association thing is pretty obvious here. Everybody is speculating they didn't play for the obvious reason and connect it with Ivey's not playing reasons. We should not be repeating guessing speculation from someone like Norman Chad or Phil Hellmuth. Comments from Annie Duke or Erik Seidel would have some authority though. 2005 (talk) 21:41, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Six Handed Championship Final table

The $10,000 No-Limit Hold’em Six Handed Championship, largest payout so far $1,158,481 for 1st, one of the best Final tables, with some of the greatest online players (live stream is down maybe back later, WSOP twitter give stream address

• Chris "Moorman1" Moorman [13]
• Joe “ENDER555” Ebanks [14] [15]
• Tristan "Cre8ive" Wade [16]
• Taylor "ambiguosity" Paur (Online Player of the Year) [17]
• Bertrand "ElkY" Grospellier
• and Mike “SowersUNCC” Sowers [18]

▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 06:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

long name

Does Event 48 winner Athanasios Polychronopoulos have either the longest name or longest last name in WSOP bracelet winner history?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I think so, It's even longer then Chandrasekhar Billavara looking over the list of bracelet winners.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 02:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

New section for this year's bracelet winners performance at the main event.

Should there be a section for the performance of this years bracelet winners?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me as long as people are willing to do the tracking.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 22:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it is the kind of thing that if someone sets it up, others will fill it in.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:53, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sold on it... basically everybody who won will play the main event. A list of 55 players who are marginably notable? There are others that I think people are more interested in... Poker Hall of Famers, multiple bracelet winners, etc.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 06:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not on the edge of my seat to know how this year's Razz champion did in the Main Event, or if the person played. More importantly, the other events are not the pre-season to the main event. They are not related in any way, and we should not make it seem as if they are. In contrast, previous main event champions are germane (though not all that much) because there are again playing in the main event. 2005 (talk) 07:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The only other category that I could see being added is HoF'ers... and that would only had a handful of players. But IMO, the two major claims to notability at the WSOP main event are past winners and HoF. But I would probably only add HOF'ers to the list of celebrities.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 19:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Ho F'er lol, maybe hall of famers would be words to use :D▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 22:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the humor anyways the celebrities are often brought up in the ESPN broadcast, a event that draws famous people outside of poker I think is worth mentioning, the Hall of Fame Player that are in the main even would be fine but are sometimes redundant with the Main Event players, while other are deceased, Of non ME winners that are still alive there are Erik Seidel, Mike Sexton, Dewey Tomko, Barbara Enright, Billy Baxter, T. J. Cloutier, Lyle Berman and Henry Orenstein. Not sure if all of them still play.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 00:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I know that all of them have played in the past 3 years... don't know their current status.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 00:47, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Hall of Fame and Non-Poker Celebrities both are mention in this Official report from the 2011 WSOP.

WSOP POY

Any truth to the rumor that WSOP POY will include WSOPE point this year? Is this the first time?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they said so right after the 50k Players Championship, Hellmuth asked and when he was told yes, he said well it looks like I'm going to Europe this year (although I think he would has went anyways) ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 03:59, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is more info about the new 2011 POY system [19]▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 04:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

It was actually said before then. I remember reading it and being surprised.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 06:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

David Baker

Can people confirm who is David Bakes Baker, David ODB Baker, and if the 3rd David Baker has a nickname. Also does ODB stand for Other David Baker?

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=105530

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=20710

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=179476

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes there are two Notable David Baker, the younger David Baker known as Bakes from Bloomfield Hills, MI and the other the older and hence the "Original" David Baker from Katy, TX (here is an interview with him after finishing 17th in the Main Event), I need to do some research but the Kenner, LA Baker I'm guessing is one of these two David Bakers, I was going to write a article on David "Bakes" Baker last year but notice that his result were being co-mingled with the other one, it look like they fixed most of them and maybe all of them if DB of Kenner, LA is indeed a 3rd person (here are also DB's from FL and SC but with small buy-in results).▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 03:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

The third is ODB.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

See WSOP.com

Bakes: http://www.wsop.com/players/playerprofile.asp?playerID=1915

ODB: http://www.wsop.com/players/playerprofile.asp?playerID=91395

It looks like the LA and TX David Baker's are one and the same http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=179476 Kenner, LA http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=20710 Katy, TX --

Note that $ 10,000 World Championship No Limit Hold'em 41st World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2010, Las Vegas 17th $396,967 from Katy, TX (that's also what was talked about in the interview) and $5,000 No Limit Hold'em - Triple Chance 42nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2011, Las Vegas 39th $17,817 from Kenner, LA are both in the WSOP results http://www.wsop.com/players/playerprofile.asp?playerID=91395

From the Official entrants list of the WSOP there are only two David Baker's that entered the 2011 WSOP Main Event

108 David Baker KENNER, LA, US Amazon Tan / 273 / 5 http://www.wsop.com/pdfs/reports/11497%5CEntrants-List-DAY-1D.pdf

45 David Bakes Baker ROCHESTER HILLS, MI, US Amazon Tan / 267 / 9 http://www.wsop.com/pdfs/reports/11497%5CEntrants-List-Day-1B.pdf

Bakes is listed that way from the official list, the other one from Kenner is David "ODB" Baker as he is at the event http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker/event-58-no-limit-hold-em-championship/chips.11376.htm?tag=David%20Baker

this happens to poker players in many poker databases when they move

I will write the magazines/databases managers and see if they will sort it all out in a few days if they don't end up doing it themselves. ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 04:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• I wrote Hendonmob already.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Tournament trivia

With the preliminary events over, a lot of official records fell see the WSOP summary sheet] to find content worth including in this page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

This is useful as well.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 21:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Live WSOP Main Event web and TV broadcast WITH hole cards!

This is just unbelievable! I remember they did this at the 2011 PCA but I never thought I would see it happen at the WSOP Main Event watch this report from ESPN coverage begins tomorrow! ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 21:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

wow, I think it's not enough time... so it will be interesting to see what (if anything) the players do about it.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 22:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Well there is a 30-minute delay so I presume no illegal peeking will be possible, although there is a lot of info to be gained about players by watching their mucked cards. I doubt many people will try to "scope out" their opponents this way though. Rymatz (talk) 19:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Holecards are not shown right now on the today's web broadcast but tonight on ESPN 2 TV & WEB, the list here tells Yes or No on Hole cards here [20] they are not going to show All holecards only if there is post flop play i believe, so any 3 bet and folds won't be known preflop. I think every player will scope-out what their opponents on any bit of info they can get ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 19:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree, and I've heard some talk about players having friends/family who are already elimianated scoping out their competition via this. "Hey Phil, you know that big hand you folded 30 minutes ago? You made the right call, John had you beat. He also has a tell. When he's bluffing he twists his oreo cookie by his ear."---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 21:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I knew KGB was bluffing me! why didn't I call! I'm such a nit!!!▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 21:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I have real mixed feeling about this, But i have to say I really enjoy watching it (almost) live, what happen to Deeb really hit me in the gut (can't imagine how Hellmuth would had reacted), before i would already know but don't know if average the poker fan would had known or care.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 00:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, I'm loving it as well... I just don't think 30 minutes is enough time. In a live game, 30 minutes might not be a full rotation and good player might not change up their style that frequently. I'd rather it be an hour personally, but I do believe this is worth mentioning in the article and if there are any comments/fall out from it, I think it might be worth noting as well.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 20:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

There was already a bit of an issue with the hole card cam, quite a bit of drama from this report. ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 20:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

During the broadcast, Anotonio talked about how the camera made things uncomfortable. You move all in and get called, but before the dealer turns over a card, you have to wait for the camera crew to capture the moment on film. He was complaining that it made the wait unbearable. This is a case where the players need a union or something. Right now it'll be a few voices complaining, it would be interesting if a group or something made an official appeal.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 20:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Is Norm Out

Ok, on ESPN3.com, we have Lon and Antonio providing coverage. Antonio has been providing coverage in the other events they are going to broadcast on ESPN. Is Norm out? I hope so, Antonio is so much better (and I'm tired of hearing about Norm's wives.)---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 00:30, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

No, He will be back July 26, I know his jokes can be lame at times but I don't mind him. from pokernewsdaily.com "Lon McEachern and David Tuchman will handle the play-by-play duties of the telecasts, with poker pros such as Phil Hellmuth, Antonio Esfandiari, Olivier Busquet, and Brandon Adams rotating into the commentary booth to provide analysis. The lovely Kara Scott will be reporting from the sidelines. The live coverage will pave the way for ESPN’s regular Tuesday night WSOP telecasts, which begin July 26 and run weekly until a main event champion is crowned Nov. 8. McEachern and Norman Chad will remain hosts of the coverage on ESPN."▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 01:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

AJ Soprano

Why isn't AJ Soprano's 275th place included among the celebrities?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I didn't his name mention in a report nor did I have any idea who he was, if you see something like this feel free to add it, I'll look through the day 1a to d lists to see which day he had entered.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 13:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Should we note celebs who cash (with their place) like we do ME champs?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Done▪◦▪≡SiREX≡^Talk 16:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

In the Money

That's fine about indicating Robert Varkonyi's place since he's in the money...but shouldn't we have some notation explaining why he's the only past champion with his place listed? Just looking at the page alone, there's nothing to indicate why his placing is notable while the others aren't. BarryTheUnicorn (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe add his prize amount. That should clue people in.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

TV delay time

ESPN airing and streaming finals nearly live only a 15 minute delay due to neveda gaming regulations — Preceding Duke of the mid south comment added by Duke of the mid south (talk •

Relevant policy discussion at Village Pump

A very relevant conversation has started at the Village Pump over policies which possibly have direct implications on WSoP event pages. More specifically, there are discussions whether arbitrary event championship pages are notable or not (if not, they're open to deletion). Participants here can voice their questions/concerns about wiki policy there. Thanks. Agent00f (talk) 18:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)